Big Risk Lays

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An experimental laying system trialled by Gusyonok on BetSeventyTwo.

I have not copied over all of the selections – the thread ran to 17 pages. All of the discussion is here though.

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:39 pm

WARNING – LAYING LONG PRICED HORSES IS VERY RISKY AND CAN LOSE YOU A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. Long priced horses win more often than you might think. Please remember that if a £2 lay at 50 wins it will cost you nearly £100.

First of all I am no trader, I’m a gambler, but I like making money. I’ve been trying out a system which many would call suicide-amd all real traders are welcome to laugh in my face-but it works for me. I thought I would post a few results and let you laugh some more as you see me lose it all.

I’ll start with a bank of 300 and all lays will be 50 or more on BF

First selection was Ellenshe lay 3 at 90 320 perth (sorry it was late-they wont be in future)

Profit after comm 2.86

New bank 302.86

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:24 pm

430 pont sam nombulist 2.30 at 130

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:02 pm

Profit after comm 2.19

New bank 305.05

510 Font Kekkerrockernixes 5 at 60

by corner123 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:09 pm


I’m going to let this thread run as an interesting exercise, but I’m also going to stick a big red warning at the top.

No offence meant gus – I know you like a gamble, but laying long priced horses is not by any means risk free. They can and do win.

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:11 pm

Profit after comm 4.77

New bank 307.63

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:14 pm

i agree 100%-this is only a bit of fun-absolutely the way NOT to make money-its meant to be a bit of a laugh at my expense-nothing more-anyone who follows the selections WILL LOSE and LOSE A LOT

by Gentari » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:33 pm

What criteria are you using to select these horses Gus?

by gusyonok » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:39 am

no criteria really-just that they are 60 or bigger on BF-the point is that this is everything that trading is not-trading is low risk well thought out and designed to make safe steady profit-this is just random madness that has to end in failure. The sad thing-and what I am trying to highlight-is that this system is being sold as we speak as a money maker-and plenty of people will be taken in. If youve got 300 to spare and want a bit of fun-but realise that you will lose the 300 sooner or later then fine-if you think its the Holy Grail of betting youve been looking for, think again. Too many charlatans take advantage of people’s naivity

by corner123 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:01 am

This, precisely, is why I am letting this thread run. there are plenty of laying systems being sold out there, and it is very easy to be sucked in by long “winning streaks”. But when you are laying £2 to lose £100 and you will also pay commission on any winnings, the result is certain losses when the inevitable winning horse arrives.

by Gentari » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:27 am

OK, I see the point now Gus.

I applaude you for actually having a go, but can think of better things to do with £300

by mikeymp » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:40 pm

Quit while you’re ahead Martin

by gusyonok » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:59 pm

Profit after comm 6.19

New bank 338.03

See how dangerous this system is-it looks like easy money-in a few days the bank has grown by over 12.5 percent-and the adverts will happily quote such impressive figures but the winner is just around the corner to wipe out all your profits and a lot more. DONT BE FOOLED!!!!

by gusyonok » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:41 pm

Profit after comm 4.00

New bank 364.43

Thats enough silliness for today-more tomorrow!

by pyroleen » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:26 am

I’ve got no fingernails left after reading that!

So far so good, just waiting for the crash…… Great to have you posting again, always entertaining. Can’t wait for the next installment!

by Gentari » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:36 pm

Still waiting for it Gus

by gusyonok » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:39 pm

dont worry gent-it will be along shortly!

by ArbWizard » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:10 am Quit while your ahead, Gus !

by gusyonok » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:52 pm

as the boss said- “no retreat and baby no surrender” so onward and upward (before the crash and burn!)

300 sedg first fought 3 at 120

by Gentari » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:32 pm

gusyonok wrote:Profit after comm 2.86

New bank 396.08

310 new sirius prospect 7 at 55

2nd by 1/2 Length !

by gusyonok » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:57 pm

Profit after comm 4.76

New bank 419.23

That’ll do for today

by Gentari » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:25 pm

Lucky Man

next race was won by the complete outsider 66-1 – Style & Panache

by gusyonok » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:31 am

you gotta know when to hold em-know when to fold em, know when to walk away know when to run

by gusyonok » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:37 am

i know what the adverts would be saying now

25 straight winning bets!!!

100% strike rate!!!!!

£100 bank turned into over £400 in just days!!!!!!!!

Don’t miss out on the winners any more-get your copy of the SUICIDE SYSTEM today!! Normal price £499-today only £99!!!

Of course there would be no mention of one beaten in a photo that would have wiped out all the profit and then some-no wonder poor suckers fall for these charlatan tactics all the time

by Gentari » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:55 pm

What’s the link Gus !

by pyroleen » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:01 pm

Sound like one I bought for the dogs a few years ago, lol

by gusyonok » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:39 pm Profit after comm 8.49

New bank 456.45

Thats enough for today-bedtime over here now -1240! Night all

by pyroleen » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:59 pm

Ah, top effort!

Night mate, looking forward to another nail-biting instalment!!

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:16 pm

Profit after comm 9.08

New bank 485.51

525 kemp sonnelino 9.71 at 50

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:23 pm

big gamble on this one-this could be it!!

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:29 pm

money talks indeed!! Not even in first three!

Profit after comm 9.25

New bank 494.76

530 newm thunderball 9.80 at 50

by gusyonok » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:22 pm

Profit after comm 10.29

New bank 551.17

That’s it for today-night all!!

by pyroleen » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:13 pm

….And he’s still going!!!!

by pyroleen » Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:14 pm

Go on, Gusyonok! Go!

It’s like playing ‘Kerplunk’, pulling the sticks out and waiting for the marbles to fall…… This winning streak has been amazing and makes me laugh more the longer it goes on!!

by gusyonok » Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:23 pm

Profit after comm 6.67

New bank 715.16

That’ll do for today. Pyroleen-glad to entertain and amuse-that’s what this thread was intended for anyway although some seem to be taking it too seriously. As I have said on many occasions-the serious point behind it all is that plenty of punters are being suckered by systems like this and plenty of conmen are making cash out of peddling a totally worthless and dangerous laying “strategy”

See you tomorrow pyro-glad I’ve got 1 reader at least!!

by mikeymp » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:33 pm

Fabulous ROI , where can I purchase this system please?

by corner123 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:45 am

Logically and realistically, since every horse is priced at 50 or more there should be less than 1 winner in 50. The snag is that you don’t know when that winner is going to pop up – there has already been one near-miss.

Has anyone else noticed the subtle increase in stakes so that gus is actually risking his whole bank on every bet? This is probably some sort of inverse martingale system or something, but it is designed so that whenever the winner comes, the result is total wipeout.

I’d have taken my £300 out and be doing this “risk free” by now!

by gusyonok » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:33 am

lol-well of course you risk all on every bet-that’s why it’s called the suicide system!

by gusyonok » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:05 pm

Profit after comm 14.77

New bank 1027.12

That’s another day done and dusted-see you tomorrow

by pyroleen » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:17 pm

BOOOM!!!! He’s broken the grand mark!

If this wasn’t in the name of science, I’d be yelling “GET OUT, GET OUT NOW, YOU FOOL!!”. In fact, if it was my cash I probably would, lol certainly the original £300!

But this is an experiment, a demonstration and top marks to Gusyonok for running with it. This thread does demonstrate perfectly, though, how easy it is to be fooled into thinking it’s a ‘Holy Grail’ laying system. There ARE systems remarkably similar out there for sale at around (and in excess of) the £50 mark. “Learn how I turned £300 into over £1000 in less than two weeks!” or “This is it, the ultimate betting system. Earn unlimited cash betting on rubbish horses to NOT win!”, or the cliché of:“Insider pro-gambler secrets”…..

I’ll be writing an article and / or video on just this subject soonish. Until then – don’t believe everything you see on the internet…..

by gusyonok » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:19 am

spot on pyro!! But don’t forget these gems:

“100% strike rate!!”

“Selections found in seconds”

“I was a losing mug punter like YOU until I discovered the SUICIDE SYSTEM!!”

As you say this is a demonstration or experiment if you wish, but every lay I list here is backed up with my own money. After all it wouldn’t be fair to point out the futility of such a system without suffering myself. I’m taking one for the team if you like, but I’m happy to lose £300 if it saves one person from being suckered into these crazy systems. Remember:

1) Lay systems ALWAYS lose in the end

2) Doubling up systems like Martingdale ALWAYS lose in the end

3) People who sell systems aren’t doing it to help punters-ONLY to help themselves get rich

4) Risking big money to win peanuts is madness

5) NEVER buy a system with your hard earned!

by gusyonok » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:16 pm

Profit after comm 18.49

New bank 1088.77

420 south mexican jay 20 at 50

by Gentari » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:22 pm


by gusyonok » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:28 pm

point proven I think!!

by corner123 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:12 pm

Indeed – outsiders do win, but after a winning run of over 90 horses you’d think you had the winning system of all time. Of course the very next horse could be the next loser…

What do these systems tell you you should do when the inevitable happens and you lose your whole bank?

by mikeymp » Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:12 pm

Next time just paper trade Martin and I will let you have my moneybookers account details so that you can bung me 300 notes…cheers

by gusyonok » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:01 pm

actually i do feel a bit of a fraud because I haven’t wiped out my bank completely and that was the idea so lets tie up the loose ends

kingsben 300 towc 1.70 at 50

by ArbWizard » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:19 pm

Rather than not encouraging people to try this system, you may be having the reverse effect. Over 90 horses before losing the first time and now you are at it again for the second time! We get the point, call it a day and save your money.

by gusyonok » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:43 pm

as i said the intention was to lose the whole pot to illustrate the folly clearly-i will continue until that has been done-won’t be long I’m sure!

omnipotent 2.25 at 50 245 newb

by gusyonok » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:08 pm

Profit after comm 2.19

New bank 119.32

As I seem to have outstayed my welcome and don’t want the joke to become stale or the message less relevant I will exclusively release the TURBO SUICIDE SYSTEM. Bigger profits-fast!! (Only available to the first 30 buyers)

310 worc the darling boy 11.90 at 10

by gusyonok » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:15 pm


by pyroleen » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:17 pm

Good job mate!

Point proven in top Gusyonok style. Can existing subscribers to the Suicide System upgrade to the Turbo version at a reduced rate….?

by ljones85 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:14 pm

Why don’t you back them?

Footnote by corner:

This question wasn’t answered on the thread, but the answer, almost certainly, is that commission would take away all of your profit, if there was any. These are just random outsiders, the market is approximately 100% before commission, so logically over time you will lose approximately your commission by backing random horses.

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